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		<title>By: Matthew Kory</title>
		<link>http://boston.locals.baseballprospectus.com/2015/10/16/rebuilding-the-red-sox-whos-on-first/#comment-3637</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew Kory]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2015 06:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You named two minor leaguers, one who hasn&#039;t been above Double-A and one who hasn&#039;t been out of A ball. They could be players in the future but they&#039;re not solutions for 2016 unless you&#039;re using them as trade chips. The jury is out on Travis Shaw, but I think most experts (and I agree with them) think Shaw is likely a backup and not much more. That&#039;s not to say Hanley is the answer here either. As I said in the piece, this is a tough situation with few answers currently on the roster.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You named two minor leaguers, one who hasn&#8217;t been above Double-A and one who hasn&#8217;t been out of A ball. They could be players in the future but they&#8217;re not solutions for 2016 unless you&#8217;re using them as trade chips. The jury is out on Travis Shaw, but I think most experts (and I agree with them) think Shaw is likely a backup and not much more. That&#8217;s not to say Hanley is the answer here either. As I said in the piece, this is a tough situation with few answers currently on the roster.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Kory</title>
		<link>http://boston.locals.baseballprospectus.com/2015/10/16/rebuilding-the-red-sox-whos-on-first/#comment-3636</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew Kory]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2015 06:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Could he conceivably play third? Yes. I could conceive of his playing third, but I think he&#039;d be worse at it than he was at left field. Any place you put him you&#039;re asking for awful defense and left field (because of the minimal impact the position has, relatively) and first base (because of the ease of playing it, relatively) are the two best candidates for Hanley. Third base is a legitimately difficult position and I shudder to think what his numbers would look like there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could he conceivably play third? Yes. I could conceive of his playing third, but I think he&#8217;d be worse at it than he was at left field. Any place you put him you&#8217;re asking for awful defense and left field (because of the minimal impact the position has, relatively) and first base (because of the ease of playing it, relatively) are the two best candidates for Hanley. Third base is a legitimately difficult position and I shudder to think what his numbers would look like there.</p>
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		<title>By: Pedro15</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pedro15]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2015 20:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe so. But would the Indians do it? For biased Sox fans like us, it these kinds of deals should feel like overpays. That&#039;s one way we can know that it an offer the other team would take seriously.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe so. But would the Indians do it? For biased Sox fans like us, it these kinds of deals should feel like overpays. That&#8217;s one way we can know that it an offer the other team would take seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Pedro15</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pedro15]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2015 18:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I assume his comment was in response to mine, not to your article.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I assume his comment was in response to mine, not to your article.</p>
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		<title>By: CrowPotPie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CrowPotPie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2015 12:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No more top dollar free agents,  pitchers or otherwise.   Ramirez can be back up DH.   Between T Shaw,  S Travis and Nick Longhi you&#039;ll find your 1st base guy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No more top dollar free agents,  pitchers or otherwise.   Ramirez can be back up DH.   Between T Shaw,  S Travis and Nick Longhi you&#8217;ll find your 1st base guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Harderj</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Harderj]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2015 18:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While I know it&#039;s further up the defensive spectrum from 1st base, could Hanley conceivably play 3rd?  Pablo has played some first in the past, although his offensive numbers are not typically what one wants from a first baseman...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I know it&#8217;s further up the defensive spectrum from 1st base, could Hanley conceivably play 3rd?  Pablo has played some first in the past, although his offensive numbers are not typically what one wants from a first baseman&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Kory</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew Kory]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2015 17:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who said anything about giving up prospects?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who said anything about giving up prospects?</p>
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		<title>By: Binyamin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Binyamin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2015 17:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t understand the concept of paying someone&#039;s salary to play for another team AND giving up prospects as an incentive for the other team to accept the gift. If you don&#039;t want the guy and don&#039;t mind eating the money, just release him. Embarrassing to the team and embarrassing to the player, but don&#039;t they keep telling us it&#039;s a business?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand the concept of paying someone&#8217;s salary to play for another team AND giving up prospects as an incentive for the other team to accept the gift. If you don&#8217;t want the guy and don&#8217;t mind eating the money, just release him. Embarrassing to the team and embarrassing to the player, but don&#8217;t they keep telling us it&#8217;s a business?</p>
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		<title>By: Ricky</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ricky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2015 01:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pedro15~ NO way to much going to Cleavland. Maybe if we paid less of HanRams contract. Owens is going to be a solid #2 Kopech I&#039;d put in the top tier level Margot should be off limits as well. I think we should give Hanley a shot at 1B and be pushing to trade Pablo. How bad could Hanley really be at 1B for a year.  I&#039;d rather sign a front guy like Price Grienke or Zimmerman to a lesser extent than trade for 1. My offseason sim on another site has the Sox signing 2 and trading Miley and Buch for prospects and moving Kelly to the pen. I&#039;d look for prospects that are closer to the ML than some of ours and basically just getting into the post season next year with the idea that we will win it all in 17.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pedro15~ NO way to much going to Cleavland. Maybe if we paid less of HanRams contract. Owens is going to be a solid #2 Kopech I&#8217;d put in the top tier level Margot should be off limits as well. I think we should give Hanley a shot at 1B and be pushing to trade Pablo. How bad could Hanley really be at 1B for a year.  I&#8217;d rather sign a front guy like Price Grienke or Zimmerman to a lesser extent than trade for 1. My offseason sim on another site has the Sox signing 2 and trading Miley and Buch for prospects and moving Kelly to the pen. I&#8217;d look for prospects that are closer to the ML than some of ours and basically just getting into the post season next year with the idea that we will win it all in 17.</p>
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		<title>By: Pedro15</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pedro15]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2015 17:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good piece, MK. You&#039;re probably right about DD having no other choice but to stick Hanley at first, at the end of the day.

The one team that strikes me as a legitimate trade partner would be the Indians: They&#039;re trying to win now(-ish), they&#039;re starved for offense, and they don&#039;t have an obvious choice at DH. They also have the ace-caliber starting pitching (cost-controlled no less!) that the Sox so desperately covet and have expressed a willingness to move said pitching in the recent past.

Britton quasi-dismissed them as a trading partner saying that &quot;taking on Ramirez&#039;s deal doesn’t really mesh with [their] philosophy&quot;. But if the Sox covered all but, say, $10 million of his deal I think the Indians would be interested. In fact, at that price, I think Ramirez would actually have actually have at least some positive trade value in the Indians&#039; eyes, given his track record as a hitter and the fact that they would have to play him in the field.

Obviously, 3 dirt-cheap years of Hanley wouldn&#039;t be anywhere near enough to get 5 affordable years of Carlos Carrasco (for example). Because they are largely in win-now mode, I imagine they&#039;d also want an (affordable) established starter (e.g., Miley) to help fill the void Carrasco would leave behind. And for the same reason, they&#039;d probably want couple young MLB-ready young players with some upside who can contribute right away (e.g., Owens, Vazquez, Bradley, Shaw, Holt, etc.). I&#039;m sure they would want a couple strong prospects as well for long-term value. But with so much value coming from the current MLB-ers already included in the deal, I definitely think we could pull this off without giving up any of the guys with elite-level potential (Moncada, Benintendi, Espinoza, and Devers). Two or three of the second-tiers guys (Margot, Guerra, Kopech, S. Travis, etc.) should be enough to get it done. Does an offer of say Hanley (with $55 mil of contract covered), Miley, Owens, Vazquez, Margot, and Guerra sound reasonable to you? I know I&#039;m biased but that almost seems like an overpay to me.

In general, there are very few scenarios in which I would be willing to pay another team tens of millions to take a chance on Hanley. Personally, I&#039;m pretty optimistic about Ramirez&#039; chances to be an elite hitter again and I&#039;m almost scared to give him up, since Papi&#039;s age-defying miracle could come crashing to a hault at any moment. However, as part of a deal where we are getting a cost-controlled ace in return, without having to give up any of our elite-level prospects, I think it would be $55 million well spent. Hell, I&#039;d probably be willing to cover the full 66.

Am I totally crazy? 

PS- Apologies for the uber-long comment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good piece, MK. You&#8217;re probably right about DD having no other choice but to stick Hanley at first, at the end of the day.</p>
<p>The one team that strikes me as a legitimate trade partner would be the Indians: They&#8217;re trying to win now(-ish), they&#8217;re starved for offense, and they don&#8217;t have an obvious choice at DH. They also have the ace-caliber starting pitching (cost-controlled no less!) that the Sox so desperately covet and have expressed a willingness to move said pitching in the recent past.</p>
<p>Britton quasi-dismissed them as a trading partner saying that &#8220;taking on Ramirez&#8217;s deal doesn’t really mesh with [their] philosophy&#8221;. But if the Sox covered all but, say, $10 million of his deal I think the Indians would be interested. In fact, at that price, I think Ramirez would actually have actually have at least some positive trade value in the Indians&#8217; eyes, given his track record as a hitter and the fact that they would have to play him in the field.</p>
<p>Obviously, 3 dirt-cheap years of Hanley wouldn&#8217;t be anywhere near enough to get 5 affordable years of Carlos Carrasco (for example). Because they are largely in win-now mode, I imagine they&#8217;d also want an (affordable) established starter (e.g., Miley) to help fill the void Carrasco would leave behind. And for the same reason, they&#8217;d probably want couple young MLB-ready young players with some upside who can contribute right away (e.g., Owens, Vazquez, Bradley, Shaw, Holt, etc.). I&#8217;m sure they would want a couple strong prospects as well for long-term value. But with so much value coming from the current MLB-ers already included in the deal, I definitely think we could pull this off without giving up any of the guys with elite-level potential (Moncada, Benintendi, Espinoza, and Devers). Two or three of the second-tiers guys (Margot, Guerra, Kopech, S. Travis, etc.) should be enough to get it done. Does an offer of say Hanley (with $55 mil of contract covered), Miley, Owens, Vazquez, Margot, and Guerra sound reasonable to you? I know I&#8217;m biased but that almost seems like an overpay to me.</p>
<p>In general, there are very few scenarios in which I would be willing to pay another team tens of millions to take a chance on Hanley. Personally, I&#8217;m pretty optimistic about Ramirez&#8217; chances to be an elite hitter again and I&#8217;m almost scared to give him up, since Papi&#8217;s age-defying miracle could come crashing to a hault at any moment. However, as part of a deal where we are getting a cost-controlled ace in return, without having to give up any of our elite-level prospects, I think it would be $55 million well spent. Hell, I&#8217;d probably be willing to cover the full 66.</p>
<p>Am I totally crazy? </p>
<p>PS- Apologies for the uber-long comment.</p>
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