Comments on: The Red Sox Should Still Trade for Julio Teheran

By: hector

hector — Wed, 20 Jul 2016 17:38:28 +0000

I need you to remeber that we are without one important piece in our team for the future… PABLO SANDOVAL!!!!

By: Ben Carsley

Ben Carsley — Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:49:50 +0000

Are you related to Eduardo Rodriguez? … Are you Eduardo Rodriguez?

By: Eric M. Van

Eric M. Van — Tue, 19 Jul 2016 22:17:21 +0000

I wouldn’t trade Eduardo Rodriguez even up for Julio Teheran. I might even balk at that if their contract situations were identical. Do I have time to explain why? No. (I’ve talked about E-Rod’s upside at SoxProspect.com for a long while now.) But if a professional sabermetrician can hold that opinion, then this is prima facie a lousy suggestion. A well-thought out trade does not involve bundling player X plus other talent for player Y when there is any significant possibility that player X is better. You have to look very hard at both of them, and before you pull the trigger, you have to be convinced that the overlap in their projections has been reduced to the point where it is extremely likely that you are getting an upgrade. We’re just a year removed from Rodriguez actually being better than Teheran, and there are multiple reasons to think that he will soon be again, and remain that way.

By: carpengui

carpengui — Mon, 18 Jul 2016 01:40:16 +0000

We will agree as such… but “plenty of times?”

By: Ben Carsley

Ben Carsley — Mon, 18 Jul 2016 01:09:59 +0000

Actually, I did mention it:

“If the Braves insist on one of those two to start the package — a demand they’d be well within their right to make — I have no problem with the Red Sox holding serve and looking for a cheaper upgrade or praying E-Rod turns it around. ”

As for the assertion that a rebuilding team couldn’t use a top-20 prospect, two young starters and another lottery ticket, we’ll have to agree to disagree.

As I said before, it’s fine to think the Braves wouldn’t make a deal if it doesn’t start with Moncada or Benintendi. And I’m sure that’s what they’d ask for at first. But saying “there’s no way they’d do this” is just your opinion against mine.

By: carpengui

carpengui — Mon, 18 Jul 2016 01:03:46 +0000

Actually, you didn’t mention that… you went out of your way to find a way to find equivalent value without including either of Moncada or Benintendi, which implies that the Braves would consider an alternate package. I understand that thought from the Red Sox perspective, for I would do the same.

However, my point is simply this: the Braves’ needs include none of those lesser names. None of them. If Boston doesn’t offer one – equivalent value or not – then there will be no deal, for it does nothing to improve their current situation.

By: Ben Carsley

Ben Carsley — Sun, 17 Jul 2016 23:55:12 +0000

I am a little more optimistic about this group but largely agree with the sentiment that they’re more likely to get regress than get better. Especially Wright.

By: Ben Carsley

Ben Carsley — Sun, 17 Jul 2016 23:54:07 +0000

I think I mentioned plenty of times that it’s possible the Braves wouldn’t have interest if it doesn’t start with Benintendi or Moncada. But if no one is sending them that MLB-ready bat, I believe the package above should at least get them thinking.

Your opinion is just as valid as mine here, of course, but I did run the offer by a few non-Red Sox writers I trust to make sure I wasn’t crazy low-balling the Braves. The general feedback I got was that it wasn’t a slam-dunk package, but it’s also not one that would lead Coppolella to hang up in anger.

By: Andropov4

Andropov4 — Sun, 17 Jul 2016 23:08:33 +0000

I think Chicago has a better front four, for starters. Sale and Quintana are both great, Shields is looking up lately (though I have little confidence he’ll keep these results up), and Rodon is pretty acceptable. Detroit maybe. The Rangers and Rays are pretty close, especially if Archer returns to being good. The Red Sox don’t exactly have a super rotation. They have an ace, two guys who are fairly likely to regress pretty heavily in Wright (who has already looked pretty vulnerable for about a month now) and Pomeranz, and Rick Porcello as their top four. I’m not really convinced this a particularly good group of pitchers.

By: carpengui

carpengui — Sun, 17 Jul 2016 23:04:23 +0000

This is going to be a pretty simple call for John Coppolella: bring an MLB-ready big bat or don’t ask for Teheran.

There’s almost literally no room in the farm system for more prospect (or project) pitching and Devers is simply too far away… Kevin Maitan would be right on his heels soon enough. Dubon would not be of interest; Rodriguez and Owens have no fit in Atlanta… or much in value right now, frankly.

Sorry, but there’s literally nothing in that offer that would excite Coppy at all.